Saturday, July 10, 2004

Re: Goofy

Its been a busy week of unpacking. All my books are now unpacked I feel at home. This discussion on Holiness is good.

Goofy wrote:

Quick question and then I would like to discuss further if that is acceptable to you. What do these statements mean to you, it is speaking about Wesley:

Sanctification he spoke of (1790) as the "grand depositum which God has lodged with the people called `Methodists'." Wesley taught that sanctification was obtainable instantaneously by faith, between justification and death. It was not "sinless perfection" that he contended for; but he believed that those who are "perfect in love" feel no sin. He was anxious that this doctrine should be constantly preached for the system of Wesleyan Arminianism, the foundations of which were laid by Wesley and Fletcher.

Goofy: Obviously you are quoting a historian or theologian, who? This is imperative to your question. I have read much of Wesley's writings and sermons. In my opinion Wesley was a true theologian. His thoughts evolved over time. At times Wesley seems to argue that sanctification is simple, Justification followed by a crisis point called sanctification (which meant every action motivated out of love) followed by death. Other times he seemed to understand the process as a process of becoming holy until such a point that entire sanctification becomes a reality in the persons life. The question is does a person grow in faith and practice? With the first model the answer is often no. We are radically changed again at sanctification. The second model presents a world where Christians are being sanctified. We are being conformed to the Image of God. It is this idea that I am in love with. HS is at work in our lives with our cooperation and work conforming us to the Image of God.

Let me discuss it this way: the doctrine of the Trinity came about over many years it developed over time. So has science. I believe doctrine to be constantly building and growing to help us in our practice of following Christ. So why can't the doctrine of sanctification develop. Wesley was an interpreter of the Orthodox doctrine of glorification in his day. We also to interpret doctrine in our day.

I home this answers your question and muddies the water even more.


Hey Bill,

Thank you for your response, before I share my thoughts on what you said, here is where I study Wesley:

By Blogger Concerned Citizen, at 1:22 PM  

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