Thursday, September 29, 2005

Back to School

A local mission is having its back to school give away today.
On a school day
With kids present (they have to be to get anything.)
A month after school starts.
With cameras all around.

I don't want to be critical but why on a school day a month after school has started?

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REDSKINS 20
SEAHAWKS 17

You didn't post the score, so I thought I would.

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Sunday, September 25, 2005

Seahawks

Seattle 37 Arizona 12
Seattle 2-1
Raiders 0-3

Can life get any better?

Again Raiders 0-3!

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i just wanted to say i'll be praying for you, tolani, and the baby..... i know you guys will be great parents. ---thoughts are with you.....shorty

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:07 PM  

Bill said, "Can life get any better?"

Yes, Broncos 2-1.
"Again Raiders 0-3!"

By Blogger glorybound9, at 5:27 AM  

yeah, seahawks!

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Saturday, September 24, 2005

Thoughts on "Becoming Convergent"

Brian McLaren has written a very interesting article in response to critics the whole thing is here. I read it and a few things jumped out at me. I guess I live in the backwoods of christiandom but I have not read or seen any of the criticism but I know those who have. It seems as though much of it is centered around "Generous Orthodoxy". I just think the critics are too afraid of fiction because "The Last word" is much more heretical. But let me say this. Brian gets too much credit and too much blame. I guess because him and Len Sweet are the elder statesmen for this growing band of postmoderns he gets put into the front. His church is in a position to let him travel and write. He has a great way with words if I had his skill with words many others would read this blog. In short he has a lot going for him much as did Stan (we lost him much to early) but I know one thing for certain. (If certainty is possible this side of heaven) Brian is not a postmodern by birth, nor does he speak for all postmoderns, nor is he an expert on the subject. Furthermore, he never claims to be. He is respected no doubt. But he is respected because he is fellow traveler. He is respected because what he writes and says come out of his life.

Moderns have it backwards for postmoderns. (not to say they are backwards for everyone) Moderns go from theory and dogma into life. I guess it works for them but as postmodern I see a problem. What is stated is not always and only rarely a description of reality. This is why postmoderns such as myself (a half breed half born half trained) and Brian (a trained postmodern by choice) have such an issue with modern salvation. It doesn't line up with the gospels or with reality. I mean if all it took was a simple prayer then there would be no addiction. And after 200 or so years of this dogma our world has gone to hell. "All that matters is the eternal (or so the platonic Christian spew goes) so why do I have to care about the environment?" "Christ died for me, he choose me, so we can kill them." "God wants everyone rich if you believe" These common statements I heard growing up, in college, in The Army, on TBN, last Sunday, and in various comments at times simply do not match up with the reality I see every day.

Theology or Thoughts about the Kingdom of God must come from a community of people in proper relationship with God and each other who let scripture read them not visa versa. You see true theology is not biblical first, it is relational first. Only in proper relationship can we properly live scripture. And Living scripture not knowing scriptural facts is what its all about anyway.

All I ask (and I think this will resonate with many postmoderns) is that before you decide something is true for all time and place please just live it there first. I think we might start to see why we deconstruct such truth.

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Great post!

That is the major problem with most churches today. Instead of reasoning together as a community and getting the community's voice about theological statements and actions we normally have a mentality that someone else will and perhaps should tell us what to think and do.

What is ironic is that the people will never do the things the leadership wants of them because the people are paying someone else to do the work of ministry for them.

Without going on too much, I saw this in my last church where the leadership was big on having everyone read their Bible daily yet in all the sermons the greek/hebrew words were used to tell us what the text "really said." Thus why should anyone read the Bible when they couldn't read what it really said in the first place?

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Friday, September 23, 2005

This and that (a.k.a. why church?)

Well I've been sick the last couple days. Some virus that they can't give me anything for. Two hours in the doctors for nothing. The executive director of Harborlight and his wife are both celebrating 20 some years of sobriety and are getting cakes today so while I should be in bed I'm downtown for a couple more hours.

On a brighter side Tolani is pregnant again. 7 weeks so far none of the others lasted past 6. We saw the yolk sack so everything is on pace. Hopefully all will go well. Not to excited yet though I am just hopeful after this last year of hell on earth I guess hoping is all I can do. I do not know what I will think or feel if she miscarries again.

It looks like we will be attending the National Social Service Conference next March in Toronto. I am really looking forward to it. The Army seems supportive of the path we are choosing as far as Social Services goes. Its why we are here and what are called to doing.

Gordon has had an interesting discussion concerning segregation and church. I think the issue is two things. 1 people like sameness, we work with people in the same field, we are friends with those who have the same interests, we go to church with people with the same beliefs and practices, All adds us to church like me. The second issue is this: What is church? I mean why do we meet on Sundays and stuff? I am curious. Lets face it if we answer this question the answer of segregation plays itself out.

So, Why Church?

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Phil Yancey wrote a book called Why Church? Interestingly he mentions that in the times he has been looking for a new church - he looks and if there is anyone remotely like him he looks elsewhere! Which is interesting?

By Blogger Gordon, at 2:03 AM  

Ouch - I can empathise with you on the miscarriages, and you two will be in my thoughts and prayers. I've only had the one, and no subsequent pregnancy... God is gracious, he won't give me more than I can handle. And that miscarriage, despite the closeness of God felt all the way through, was almost more than I could handle by itself. What am I trying to say? I guess that I understand some of what you're feeling, and that I will be thinking of you - I won't be able to help it.

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Saturday, September 17, 2005

Revolution and stuff

Thanks Ian for linking to my blog. I am nobody special just someone who believes in the Army's call to the city. Check out Gordon's blog as well. I guess what i am getting it is that after being at Harborlight now for 6 months I have begun to realize that the latest and greatest is meaningless here. I mean the latest church growth, or buzz word theology, or emerging church gottas are irrelevant. Relevance is found in listening, accepting, helping, journeying together. So in many ways to be relevant is to be irrelevant to much of Christendom. But I guess Christendom and God's kingdom stopped being synonymous years ago.

So here is to relevance and the Kingdom.

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Henri Nouwen, in one of his books (In the Name of Jesus), speaks of "relevance" as a temptation for leaders, not a goal. i.e. relevance can be desire to be recognized, to be socially acceptable (in the church and/or the world). He challenges the reader to journey from the fixation on 'relevance' to the practice of contemplative prayer, something totally 'irrelevant' and 'inefficient.' Interesting food for thought, given the way most evangelicals are ready to do whatever it takes to be 'relevant.' On the one hand, there's nothing wrong with being 'relevant', however, sometimes I feel like we're overly concerned with this, particularly when it comes to the gospel. Do we really need to 'make' the gospel relevant (as if God's Word isn't already relevant by virtue of the fact that it is his Word?).

By Anonymous James, at 11:57 AM  

Another good book is "The Relevant Church". It's a collection of essays decribing a Hip-hop church to describing something more like yours Bill. How we are relevant in our authentic relationships with others. It's a great variety of different pastors opinions on relevancy in the church.

Good stuff.

-joel

By Blogger Isaiah6:8, at 9:54 PM  

Bill said,
"I have begun to realize that the latest and greatest is meaningless here. I mean the latest church growth, or buzz word theology, or emerging church gottas are irrelevant. Relevance is found in listening, accepting, helping, journeying together."

I am so much in agreement with you, here! I am so sick of hearing people say "40 Days of Purpose" is so Biblical. Where did Paul teach Church growth this way? He told us the way the body builds itself up in love in Ephesians 4:1-16. 40 Days is pragmatic American hucksterism: "do this, this, this, in exactly this way and you'll experience exponential growth, guaranteed!"

By Blogger glorybound9, at 8:36 AM  

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Friday, September 16, 2005

So you want a revolution?

As a continued discussion from Ian's blog there has been some debate over this theme Revolution which is the last one word theme for youth councils (youth retreats) for the Army. So there is my comment from his recent post and then I will rant some more.
James hit on something we in the Army need to hear.

Now I admit as an officer I am part of all this but I also need to state that I am on the fringes in many ways, theologically, politically, and vision. I am part because of the heritage of helping people I see the Army primarily and best as a social service mission.

As part though I use the language at times. Here is the problem. While I know many officers, soldiers, and employees who are jackasses and some who have lied to my face most fit the common definition of officers "think too little, eat too much, and really love people."

But I will say: WHEN WE FAIL TO THINK THROUGH THE WORDS WE USE PEOPLE WILL BE HURT REGARDLESS OF OUR HEARTS. When we pull out all the revolution or other spiritual baggage words, never define them, or not often at least then others automatically feel like outsiders. When we pump up the uniform (yes I wear it most of the time) we say "look at me I'm special." Let me repeat IT DOES NOT MATTER THE INTENTION OF OUR HEART. If it has an elitist effect we need to reexamine what we are doing.


Here is the deal. Most SA people officers especially live breath and move in Army crap. Our lives revolve around it unless we work at getting out of the army crap. I mean if not careful our language becomes so army that we can not have a normal conversation. Our relationships are all army. Size of budget, size of corps, (that word itself means nothing outside the Army yet i find myself using it in non army circles like second nature) Dhq, THQ, NHQ, IHQ, songsters, bandsmen, CSM, YPSM, and other crap. At some point the words we use become exclusivist. It may not be our intention but we use words that create that atmosphere.

So why do we use them? I asked this question in training an got meaningless answers about the way it is and always has been and what makes us unique. Have we deceived ourselves into thinking that the Army trappings are what makes us unique and what God has called us too? It seems so at times. "Well thins is the Army deal with it" is the answer. No doubt we must, but can we also ask why? So if anyone can answer me why we use these crazy one liners which mean nothing from the outside I'd be appreciative. My biggest gripe is that we don't even know what these words like revolution mean.

One more rant. Years ago Petra a fair Christian Rock band had a song "Seen and not heard, sometimes God's children should be seen and not heard." A little less talk if you please a lot more action is what we need. Maybe we should try this. What about a six month moratorium on talking in church? I guess that does sound crazy but my point is lets stop focusing on what we say and start looking at how we live.

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bill, i love your perspective. thank you so much for keeping it real as a man in your position. i have linked you up from my blog. keep it coming bro.

By Blogger Ian, at 1:55 PM  

It is an interesting debate. I went off on one about a year ago on our unmistakeable identity. I got thinking about what for me is our heartbeat. I know that there are places that focus on the peripheral - but for us locally it is like you say love for God and our neighbour.

http://urbanarmy.blogspot.com/2004/07/unmistakable-identity-heartbeat-when.html

By Blogger Gordon, at 2:28 PM  

Just posted this over at Ians Blog...

I often wonder if the concept of living out the values of the kingdom and Jesus are revolutionary. I suspect that they are.

Certainly the values I base my life upon are alternative, and grace could turn the world upside down but I listen to SA revolution rhetoric and wonder sometimes if it is the same revolution!!

By Blogger Gordon, at 2:37 PM  

I've been posting on this for a bit on ian's blog, and responded to your original comment there.

Part of our reason for going with "revolution" is that it is in fact a term that resonates with many people. They get what you're talking about. Che is a huge hero, though he is in many ways the opposite of Jesus, and he's got nothing on Jesus when it comes to revolutionary thought and action.

I get your points Bill, and they do resonate with me. Most of the people we work with could care less what we call stuff, they just like being in community and being loved and getting a chance to serve. They're not offended by the language we use.

And like I said on Ian's blog, we have tried to communicate exactly what we mean by the term revolution. We wrote a book on it for heaven's sake! :)So we want the language to describe what we feel is going on, not just with us by any means, and not by us, but what God is calling into existence. We chose revolution because it made most sense to us.

But I don't really care what the language is.

And hey, good to see another pomo salvo. That is how I describe myself to some people as well.

Grace,

Aaron

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Thursday, September 15, 2005

SALVATION ARMY GRID::BLOG

Well Gordon said we should post this and see if all the salvationists can link up. I guess it might be a good idea. But I guess I know to many salvationists to be convinced that it is for sure. But I'll throw pomosalvationist into the ring.

Anyway, I'm learning that reality is not what I thought it was. I think I have seen for the first time that what a pinky shake with reality looks like.

Live is going well though.

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Saturday, September 10, 2005

God, justice, and wrestling with God

Dwight posted this link. I have wrestled with hell before on this blog. I'm too lazy to go back and find all my blogs on the subject.

Here is the gist of my problem. Conservative Christians (I use the word lightly) have used heaven and hell as an I'm in your out rhetoric for the last few centuries. Catholics used the same issues in the same way before the reformation.

Christ is not concerned about in/out rhetoric in the gospels except to deconstruct that rhetoric. But we have been guilty of using it as a threat. Change and become one of us or be damned has been uttered from too many pulpits.

The rabbi in the above post talks about Judaism and the idea that in Judaism there is the idea of wrestling with God. Arguing and interceding on behalf of people and justice.

But again evangelicals here have a problem. When the question is asked "what is justice?" The answer is always God's standard of Justice. So here is the question: is there a standard of justice which exists apart from, created by, and at times violated by God?

If the standard of Justice is Love, then as I read the OT and portions of NT, like Acts 5, where God (according to the text, which was written by humans and their interpretation of events) did not act in accordance with Love. So this begs the question: Does God then violate justice at times? Can we as humans then intercede on behalf of other beings appealing to this standard of justice? If so, why don't we?

Finally I will through this in here. I believe God gets too much credit and blame. The theology goes that God causes it all so he caused both good and evil.

I guess what I am saying is that Life happens. Sometimes that explains it all.

I have just uttered some thoughts that should provoke thought, anger, and joy. Please share all.

Blessings

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Hello Bill,

Your thoughts have not provoked anger here, but have provoked thought.

Along the lines you're writing, I get unnerved when someone gives God credit for saving their life from a plane crash, yet the rest of the passengers all died. Isn't that a crock? If that isn't spiritual narcissism...

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Monday, September 05, 2005

Women in TSA

Carol Seiler wrote an article in the July 05 caring magazine (a western TSA publication on holistic ministry) concerning women officers in TSA. Unfortunatly the article is not on the web but here is a powerful quote:
Feeling called to ministry, a married woman-in partnership with her husband-vicariously participates through his appointment. Instead of leading the way on this issue, the Army lags behind the culture. By not tackling it head on, the problem grows, and the effect, while subtle and often not personal, is pervasive.


I wonder if any salvationists out there are willing to tackle this issue. In this article Carol addresses both the institution and the coppouts women officers use. My concern is that we have created an atmosphere where we respect the skills abilities of female employees, (but then again how many are in key high paying employee positions?) but we seem to view the value on a female officer only through her husband. The wife simply tags along.

Any thoughts?

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Sorry, have not read the article. But somehow I cannot put vicarious participator. And Tolani in the same sentence. Just doesn't work.

By Blogger glorybound9, at 12:52 AM  

Hi Bill,
This is something I've noticed in Australia, too. On a general scale, that is! It's a little weird, looking at our history. I wonder if the Army is actually starting to conform with other churches more in this area...?

By Blogger Evangeline, at 3:06 PM  

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Another Day

Well,
another day has come and gone. Most of the missions downtown participate in a collaborative partnership. Today the collaborative sponsored a chili cook off. Each kitchen prepared some chili. It was a great community event for downtown. There is so much sadness and drug use it was a pleasure to see some good fun in a place that sees little of it.

Still trying to kick this cold/illness. I hate being sick. I mean I know I should rest but you know.

College football started this weekend some great games including OU (Oklahoma) getting upset! But the Hushies (UW) lost in the final seconds. But over all some great games.

Thursday starts God's game. NFL is back in town. Seahawks have almost a whole new defense I hope it works better then last year.

Anyway, later

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Saturday, September 03, 2005

Continued Thoughts

I have spent much of this last week under the weather. I have watched the news in horror it all seems so far away. So much chaos and no one doing anything. I feel like 9/11 all over again, who fell asleep at the wheel?

In a world where most depend on public Transit (NO) an evacuation order was given with no public transit used to evacuate? Greyhound and Amtrak where no where to be found.

Its like they said get out if you can it sucks to be you if you can't.

11 Billion dollars where asked to help fix the Levies in NO 4 years ago. I guess a war for oil was more important.

Our national guard exists for times like these but I guess oil is more important then the security of our cities.

Lets face it The Crap in Iraq has caused people to die here and now. And still where are the 4,000+ guardsmen from Louisiana? Still playing tag in a civil war that we started but can't win.

So lets stop the Crap in Iraq and use the resources $ and people where they are needed.

But all that said, I'm sorry. I'm sorry for the people left 5 days or more without anything to eat or drink and no one saying anything. All I know is that New York, Miami, LA, all would have been treated differently.

I have one more question, what does it say when the vast majority of people stranded are African American?

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Bill,
I feel very unqualified to comment on all of this, being very far removed from all that surrounds this tragedy. I have been watching it closely, and it is all very sad. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
IAN

By Blogger Ian, at 5:19 PM  

Bill, the issues are far more complex than what you have stated here. This site sorts out responsibilities during an emergency response: http://donsingleton.blogspot.com/2005/09/who-is-responsible.html
but one commentor summed it up nicely, "kenprice said...

I am an Emergency Management Specialist for South Carolina. What is not being mentioned in the MSM is the fact that FEMA tells everyone that, for the first 72 hours after an emergency event, you're pretty much on your own. New Orleans violated every rule in the book: They failed to use available resources, they failed to have supplies pre-positioned, they did not follow their own disaster plan. The ONLY thing they get right was shifting the blame for their failures to everyone but themselves.

In future years, Katrina is going to be used as a classic "case study" on how NOT TO handle a crisis."

This site reminds us of The New York Times editorial views from 1993 to this past April on some of the flood control proposals:
http://eurota.blogspot.com/2005/09/msm-in-their-own-words-continuing.html

"Anyone who cares about responsible budgeting and the health of America's rivers and wetlands should pay attention to a bill now before the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. The bill would shovel $17 billion at the Army Corps of Engineers for flood control and other water-related projects -- this at a time when President Bush is asking for major cuts in Medicaid and other important domestic programs. Among these projects is a $2.7 billion boondoggle on the Mississippi River that has twice flunked inspection by the National Academy of Sciences.

The Government Accountability Office and other watchdogs accuse the corps of routinely inflating the economic benefits of its projects. And environmentalists blame it for turning free-flowing rivers into lifeless canals and destroying millions of acres of wetlands -- usually in the name of flood control and navigation but mostly to satisfy Congress's appetite for pork.

This is a bad piece of legislation."

This article from 1993 looks at the response to Hurricane Andrew:
http://reason.com/9301/fe.garvin.shtml
"Given our history, it's difficult to see why local authorities shouldn't have been able to plan for the aftermath of a hurricane–and to do so without any guidance from the federal government. In fact, if anything, the feds ought to be coming to us for help; we have more experience with hurricanes than they do.

There are certainly aspects of disaster relief–notably the need to clear terrain and establish quick logistical lines–for which the U.S. military is admirably suited. But its capabilities on the ground come at a hideous expense. Military bureaucracy, if anything, is even more costly and complex than its civilian counterpart. The Pentagon's 1992 budget was $313 billion, which consumed nearly 60 percent of discretionary federal spending. I, for one, was hoping to see a good portion of that turned back to taxpayers now that the Cold War is over.

But if the U.S. military is converted into a giant 911 rescue squad, not only will the Pentagon's budget fail to shrink, it may well grow. Imagine the endless intricacies involved in planning for the collapse of Boulder Dam, the meltdown of the Turkey Point nuclear reactor, an earthquake leveling Los Angeles, a typhoon striking Honolulu, a tidal wave hitting Houston. And it won't end there. Once you have a bureaucracy whose entire job is to envision catastrophes, its Cassandras won't stop at the mundane. What if a giant meteor squashed Phoenix? What if a gas leak permeated the New York sewer system and then exploded and the entire city caught fire? What if bubonic plague spread through the bats at Carlsbad Caverns, and then one night a freak wind carried them into El Paso? Of course, once all of these calamities are imagined, the disaster planners must be sure that they have the capacity to respond to each and every one.

This is the reason disaster planning is left to local authorities, who can best envision the kinds of misfortune that are likely to visit their communities and can best prepare for the likely results. To make one agency responsible for every conceivable cataclysm that might happen anywhere in America is to invite prodigious expense, followed closely by breathtaking sloth and then total paralysis."

Some other articles worth looking at from 2004, 2001, and 2003, respectively:
National Geographic Magazine

Scientific American article

link to Civil Engineering Magazine

By Blogger glorybound9, at 10:19 PM  

This DoD briefing from Saturday is relevant also:

http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2005/tr20050903-3850.html

The delay was in, if you want to call it a delay. I really don't call it a delay, I'll be honest about that. When we first went in there law enforcement was not the highest priority, saving lives was. You have to remember how this thing started. Before the hurricane hit there were 5,000 National Guardsmen in Mississippi and 5,000 National Guardsmen -- excuse me. Let me correct the record. There were 2,500 National Guardsmen in Mississippi and almost 4,000 National Guardsmen in Louisiana that were sheltered and taken out of the affected area so as soon as the storm passed they could immediately go into the area and start their search and lifesaving work, and stand up their command and control apparatus, and start standing up the vital functions that would be required such as providing food, water, shelter and security for the people of the town. So it was phased in. There was no delay.

The real issue, particularly in New Orleans, is that no one anticipated the disintegration or the erosion of the civilian police force in New Orleans. Once that assessment was made, that the normal 1500 man police force in New Orleans was substantially degraded, which contributed obviously to less police presence and less police capability, then the requirement became obvious and that's when we started flowing military police into the theater.

Q: So is it fair to say it is the National Guard that's keeping law and order in New Orleans?

GEN. BLUM: No. As long as there's one uniformed police officer in the city of New Orleans, we will send as many National Guard soldiers to augment, support and work in support of that lone law enforcement officer as necessary. So if hypothetically there's only one left, who's in charge? It's still that lone police officer supported by the National Guard in their role as military support to law enforcement.

We are not in the lead. We have no need nor intention of imposing martial law or having the military police the United States of America.

Q: General, two quick questions. One is, initially you said eventually there would be upwards of 30,000 National Guard troops in the affected states. Is that number still good, or will it go higher?

GEN. BLUM: Jamie, we’re so close to 30,000 right now that you could say 30,000.

Q: Is it going to go higher than that?

GEN. BLUM: Yes, it is.

Q: Any idea?

GEN. BLUM: My estimate is it's probably going to go to 40,000 to do all of the multiple tasks that need to be done simultaneously in Louisiana and Mississippi.

Q: One quick follow-up. Is it fair to say, using the convention center as an example, that one reason it took until Friday to get aid in is the National Guard needed time to build up a response team with military police to ensure law and order because the New Orleans Police Department had degraded so much?

GEN. BLUM: That is not only fair, it is accurate. You've concisely stated exactly what was needed, and I told you why. We took the time to build the right force. The outcome was superb. No lives hurt, nobody injured. It was done almost invisibly.

By Blogger glorybound9, at 8:09 AM  

This would also be extremely relevant:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/09/04/katrina.sick.redtape.ap/index.html

The North Carolina mobile hospital stranded in Mississippi was developed through the Office of Homeland Security after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. With capacity for 113 beds, it is designed to handle disasters and mass casualties.

Equipment includes ultrasound, digital radiology, satellite Internet, and a full pharmacy, enabling doctors to do most types of surgery in the field, including open-chest and abdominal operations.

It travels in a convoy that includes two 53-foot trailers, which as of Sunday afternoon was parked on a gravel lot 70 miles north of New Orleans because Louisiana officials for several days would not let them deploy to the flooded city, Rich said.

Yet plans to use the facility and its 100 health professionals were hatched days before Hurricane Katrina devastated the Gulf Coast, doctors in the caravan said.

By Blogger glorybound9, at 8:34 AM  

I know that this whole mess is extreemly complicated. As soon as whoever can be rescued is then I want Congress to investigate. To be honest many people fouled up. Those people whoever they are should be held accountable.

By Blogger Bill, at 3:07 PM  

Someone once said this:

"Tomorrow I will be delivering a sermon on God as water. We are spending the month talking about Renewal. I started thinking about water being the primary source of renewal for all of creation. Without water all things die. Yet the very thing that causes and brings back life (reclaiming a desert) can also be that which causes death and destruction.

So, if God is water (a metaphore used throught scripture to discribe God and what God does) and water causes both Renewal and Destruction, what does this say about God?"

Perhaps it is the other way around: that which causes death and destruction is the very thing that causes and brings back life; Psalm 84, "As they go through the Valley of Baca they make it a place of springs". "Baca"=weeping, bewailing, tears. In New Orleans the most recently upgraded and completed levee wall is the one which had the most serious breach; the police force dissolves and unthinkable violence rules. You might even call it a removal of protection. The paucity of self-sufficiency is revealed. Is God calling this nation to Revival and Renewal? I pray for it every day. God's understanding is unfathomable, whether or not He would "cause" such destruction (or allow it to happen) is not debatable on a human level. The proper response is Job's, "I know that You can do all things, and that no purpose of Yours can be thwarted...I had heard of You by the hearing of the ear, but now my eye sees You; therefore I despise myself, and repent in dust and ashes."

By Blogger glorybound9, at 4:13 PM  

Don't know why the link did not work. Here it is:
http://pomosalvationist.blogspot.com/2004/01/water.html

By Blogger glorybound9, at 4:17 PM  

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